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Appreciate the glaze haha

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Mar 8Edited

I quite enjoyed Dustin's repeated yeah...I mean, maybe's and I dunno's in the big debate with Ethan.

Also, as good as it was, I think the discussion ignored some middle way hypotheses about the miracles, like the initial visions being a genuine encounter with God (via the Blessed Virgin) and Lucia later getting high on her own supply to whatever degree and trying to keep things going with the secrets and embellished reports of what was said and so on.

I suppose this is a result of Ethan placing the bar as high as possible for himself, viz. the visions and sun miracle being a definitive, vindicatory proof of Catholicism rather than just a striking series of events that makes it more plausible than it might otherwise be. For what it's worth, the Church has never held to an all-or-nothing criterion for miracles and visions, and in fact can only declare them "worthy of belief" explicitly denying that they are binding on all believers. This comes in handy not only with Fatima but with things like the Medjugorge, the Divine Mercy devotion or even Joan of Arc (the trial is evidence enough that she was on to something but why would God favor France in the Hundred Years' War anyway?).

Oh, and I love that Dustin casually dropped "yeah, it definitely seems like Joseph of Cupertino and Teresa of Avila could levitate," halfway through.

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