Discussion about this post

User's avatar
Bentham's Bulldog's avatar

It also just seems very substantively implausible that being an atheist is, say, infinitely worse than raping and torturing 10 quadrillion babies. It shouldn't be that you're relieved to find out that someone raped 10 billion babies, so long as that action is in the past, such that they now reject it, and they're slightly more likely to accept God.

Also, obviously the right view of dignity is an asymptotic view, where more dignity makes you matter more only up until a point. Obviously killing ten billion people is worse than stealing a cookie from a perfect being.

Expand full comment
Rajat Sirkanungo's avatar

>>Let’s grant that rejecting God wrongfully slights him. It still seems like the degree to which slighting someone deserves punishment doesn’t scale in proportion to that being’s degree of dignity, majesty, status, goodness, or whatever. To see this, consider a different sort of slight: an unjustified slap. Suppose the Archangel Michael wrongfully slaps Human Henry, and Human Henry wrongfully slaps the Archangel Michael. (Suppose, for the sake of the thought experiment, that both slaps were equally hard and painful, but that the Archangel Michael has a greater degree of dignity, majesty, status, goodness, or whatever.) Question: does Human Henry deserve a harsher punishment? Intuitively, no. A slap is a slap. But in that case, it’s hard to see why we should accept the idea that the degree to which slighting someone deserves punishment scales in proportion to that being’s dignity, majesty, status, goodness, or whatever.

I actually have the intuition that if you hurt a good person vs hurting an average person, then hurting the good person seems worse and I am more angry if you hurt the good person relative to hurting the average person. But eternal hell still seems awful precisely because the intuition or the anger is not literally boundless. I don't get so angry at a person stealing cookie from a very very very good being such that I want to brutally torture the thief to death who stole the cookie, and I also would want to know the nature of the person who stole the cookie.. like... is that petty thief a psychopath, or a moron, and also I want to know what are the circumstances... like did the very very very good person create the situation that enticed this petty thief to steal that cookie?

Finally, the harm or suffering to the victim is something that is fundamental in thinking about retribution along with the nature of the attacker. If the average person gets killed by an equally strong punch that did not kill the good person... assume that the good person is also very healthy and resilient, then given that you harmed the average person more than the good person so you deserve more suffering or harder retribution than punching the very good person.

Expand full comment
2 more comments...

No posts