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Ragged Clown's avatar

I think there is a theoretical consequence and a practical consequence of the change in the law.

If I am following your argument correctly, you are saying that a mother killing her foetus at 39 weeks is equivalent to killing her three-year-old child, and she should be charged with murder. A week or two earlier is just as bad. 24 weeks is OK, but you don't say exactly where we should draw the line, but the point where the baby pops out is not significant. With the decriminalisation, mothers will be allowed to commit murder right up to the hour before birth.

Practically, though, abortion after 20 weeks is extremely rare, legal or not. Less than 1% of abortions are performed after 20 weeks, and less than 0.1% after 24 weeks. Late abortions are extremely rare, and when they occur, it is because of an extreme circumstance.

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/abortion-statistics-for-england-and-wales-2021/abortion-statistics-england-and-wales-2021

This Guardian article says that only 4 women have been prosecuted for a late-term abortion since 1867, but the number of women charged in recent years has increased dramatically. 100 women have been prosecuted for an unexplained miscarriage in the last ten years, even when there is no evidence of deliberate abortion. This is what the decriminalisation is designed to address.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/jun/16/abortion-law-injustice-mps-can-act-to-revoke-legislation-this-week

Late abortion will still be illegal under the new law, and it will still be extremely rare. I doubt that it is the threat of prosecution that makes mothers prefer an earlier abortion.

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I just find it baffling when people confidently assert that "there is no morally relevant difference between killing a toddler and killing a foetus in the final months of pregnancy." How could anyone assume that so quickly, given that the latter uniquely intersects both with a wide range of concerns around bodily autonomy *and* with complex and disputed scientific evidence regarding consciousness, neither of which are present with the former? (And that isn't even getting into the massive difference between motivations and other external circumstances that are generally involved.) Even if you ultimately come to the conclusion that all those issues end up not mattering, it's totally unjustified to declare them to be unimportant from the start. And while I'm certainly not the one to scold anyone on this issue, I do think glib statements like that are part of the reason people see the pro-life position as intertwined with misogyny - it should be shocking and offensive to women, and to anyone who identifies with feminism, that we would have a culture where people think it obviously doesn't matter whether or not someone or something is literally inside a woman's body, relying on her for continued sustenance, and subjecting her to an extremely painful and traumatic harm.

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